Environmental Aesthetics
Created: Thu Jun 19 2025
Word vomit and notes on readings mixed with some thoughts
Notes on Environmental Aesthetics from Stanford article
So did terms like "picturesque" and "sublime" come from philosophers? I wonder what other words come from philosophy that describes art.
Kant
- Beauty of nature is its form, shape only. Not colour or its function.
- "dynamic sublime" refers to powerful natural objects, such as waterfalls. Dynamic implimes movement.
- "mathematical sublime" refers to experiencing vastness, such as being on top of a mountain. Not sure why Kant uses mathetmatical as term.
Wilderness
- To be conquered. Landscape and people...colonialist view.
- Emerson and Thoreau, philosophers, wanted to protect wildnerness because of its spiritual value. See nature as an entity.
"Nature's masterpieces"
Park systems derived from the idea of picteresque, to protect the visual, the beauty of landscapes.
"positive aesthetics" - John Muir. Ugliness is when human intervenes, while everything in nature is beautiful, even environmental disasters like hurricanes or tornadoes.
Motorized tourism
"One line of thought, for example, argued that because nature is not intentionally designed, it cannot be aesthetically appreciated (Mannison 1980; Elliot 1982; though see Elliot 1997)." Who thought this...robots?
"Should we aim to experience and appreciate the widest variety of environments, or should we instead cultivate our attachments to those select few places to which we feel some special, affective attachment?" - What I think about on do we actually need to travel to appreciate what we have?
**Natural Environmental Model
- Viewing nature for what it is through natural history and natural sciences. Moving beyond seeing it as picteresque landscape.
- Knowing about the ecology of a place in turns makes an informed viewer, and such can be a better advocater for the place.
- To truly appreciate, it can't just be about aesthetics. Then why would NEM be categorized under "environmental aesthetics"? I suppose Carlson is saying that aesthetics play a part, but it's not the primary focus.
"sense of place"
cognitive vs non-cognitive / conceptual vs non-conceptual / narrative vs ambient
- cog: non-human origin, stories about nature through myths and folklore. NEM -> scientific cognitivism
- non-cog: emotional, nature's otherness, the mysterious hold it has on us, "formal qualities", in quotes maybe to relate to that nature doesn't have formal qualities because it's not art? metaphysical ideas and insights, imagination
- Critique: still relies on our judgement and beliefs which would be considered cog
- critique of this binary: would say any conceptual binary is flawed since nothing is ever black and white. Maybe 1/0, booleans. It's saying that that there's a separation between logical and emotional. That in science there wouldn't be imagination involved or emotions. This reminds me of scientists being inspired by Picasso's cubist paintings to think about atoms and quantum mechanics differently. So if art can illicit inspiration for scientists, why wouldn't scientist be able to have imagination and be inspired by nature?
"anthropogenic climate change is creating unprecedented and unpredictable types of “mixed environments” that may not fit the aesthetic concepts of the past"
- What I think about during wildfires and the smoke. Recently, June 2025, there was a wildfire from Canada's westcoast. The smoke travelled acrossed Canada and the Atlantic Ocean and made it's way to Geneva. I noticed one morning the sun was really red and glowing. I thought it was unusual and beautiful. A couple days later, I had a conversation with a friend and they also made a similar remark. At the time, I didn't know the visual appearance was due to the smoke but when talking to my friend, I did. And we both acknowledged that it was beautiful but also daunting.
- What is this feeling called when something is beautiful but also knowing that it's caused by environmental damange?
Aesthetic Protectionism
- There's an aesthetic value of nature that motivates us to preserve, protect and restore.
- "that preserve the beauty of an environment may arguably also render it something that is no longer natural". Is it because we are now intervening on what nature should look like, by maintaining or protecting it? In that, if we didn't interact with it, then we would let nature takes it course.
- What has an aesthetic value to us, may blindside us from what should be protected or has greater value to the environment. Mountains vs wetland.
Positive Aesthetics
- Seen similiar to NEM. Nothing is ugly and all of nature has an aesthetic value. Well, then how do you choose what to protect? Is there a scale of beauty?
- Allen Carson - with scientific understanding, then we will view nature with aesthetic good (ok, but that's just NEM, which is what the article does state). Kind of confusing when people say the same thing but under a different term like PA
- Yuriko Saito - story is at the heart of what drives aesthetic interest. Instead of just looking at things factually, even if it's scientific, what's the story?
- Holmes Rolston - looking at ecology as a system and not as an isolated event. Can view the Rhône at one specific area like the confluence, but you can also start at the glaciers, how it moves from from the mountain to the lake, and how the lake "purifies" it so that it can be clear once it enters the city. But, knowing this, does it add aesthetic value? Can I not appreciate the clarity, the colour, essential the form, without knowing the journey? I think perhaps I have a deeper appreciation knowing how the water becomes clear and where it comes from. But does appreciation have to do anything with aesthetic value?
Biodiversity
- A reason to protect, the endangered species at risk of being extinct. They become rare, therefore more valuable. Not part of our everyday life.
- National Monuments - natural entities being protected by law
"rewild" as a term
- aquariums
- zooms
- digital recreations? not quite...what term could be applied to simulated nature. e-wild?
"Tourist Traffic"
- Places made famous by tv & film. This would go along the "scenic aesthetic", viewing nature as a picteresque landscape, as a backdrop for humans in films but also selifes. Although, when it comes to tv & film, is the aesthetic value of the location is what's driving people's interest? Maybe part of it, but it's no in isolation from the media itself.
- https://www.trtworld.com/arts-and-culture/asian-tourists-crash-land-on-swiss-village-made-famous-by-netflix-series-13551463
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khao_Phing_Kan
“new aesthetics of strangeness and uncertainty”
- Smoke from Canada arriving in Geneva, which reminds me of a volcano eruption happening in maybe 1700s (?) that affected the entire world. Large scale environmental events can now be experienced as a collective due to technology.
"the role of sound in environmental appreciation (J. Fisher 1998, 1999; Dyck 2016; Prior 2017)" Would like to know more about this since it can relate to giving a voice to rivers. But one thing I keep on thinking about is our projection on non-human things. Can we truly do understand and do justice to non-human entities?
Ecological Aesthetics
- land management and landscape architects: suppose these professions are interested in this concept because they have to understand the environment beyond just aesthetics, but how they also function.
- ecological operation and ecological value: how the landscape works and what value does it offer to the system of non-humans and humans
- "organmisms" are not separate from their environment. Is this similar to the German word/concept umwelt?
- Cheng, Chiense philosopher on ecoaesthetics. There are four keystones (look into more). Rejects the binary narrative of human vs nature.
Global Perspectives
- Globalization of aesthetics: how does incorporating other worldviews into a Western framework change our perception and relationship to environmental aesthetics? I wonder what Vietnamese philosophers have contributed to this dialogue.
- Indigenious and local knowledge - In Canada, there is an effort for reconicilation. One initiative is to have land acknowledgements. These are a reminder of the land that we are on, but it could also give appreciation that's beyond just the NEM or ecological aesthetic. It's giving appreciation to those that took care of the land before colonialism.
Back to Sublime and Picturesque
- Isis Brook says picturesque is great for gardens and rural landscapes, to appreciate the wild nature. That was from 2008. I would also say the picturesque is also even more important as humans have moved from rural to urban. Our need to reconnect with nature. And now, even more so with technological societies. Think of retreats where people disconnect from technology to be in nature, or tech companies having nature based names (Mac OS names), or having desktop screensavers of landscapes.
- Why do people have beef with the sublime?
- On sublime, like all sensations and feelings, would we overcome or get use to sublime if our environment was living in the mountains?
The Aesthetics of Animals
- Cuteness
- Attractiveness -> leads to protectionism
- "animation" of animals, the movement of animals. reminds me of locomotive studies, eg. Muybridge or the animated film Turning Red and how animators studied red pandas and their movement
- Ugliness of animals. Their features but if a postivist POV, then no animal is ugly. What about animal behaviour that is predatory? Since animals do not have morals, we cannot impose their actions as being ugly.
Mediated Appreciation
- "new technologies have radically expanded the possibilities for aesthetic engagement with the natural world by providing new ways of seeing (Lopes 2003)"
- Time lapsed photography
- Infrared photography
- What about VR? Digital experiences.
Climate Change and Aesthteics
- Moral emotions that come up due to us damaging the environment. Some emotions, guilt, shame, sadness
- awe and wonder in conjunction with "strangeness and uncertainity"
- "Would ignoring the moral taint of the degraded environments of the Anthropocene be a similar sort of error?" Question about separating appreciation of a work or an environment, from its flaws. For example, if it's music. Can we separate Kayne West from his music? Can we appreciate the music while ignoring who he is? In similar fashion, what the article is asking is, can we appreciate the damaged environment while ignoring the cause of the damage?
- If we find beauty in environmental damage, then we are also encouraging these practices. At least this is what the artcile is saying. I don't think I agree. I think you can acknowledge that there's something beautiful, even if it's strange, while also saying, this is beautiful only because of this damage.
Notes on Performing Nature by John Andrew Fisher
The paper addresses whether we can appreciate nature through a performance model rather and takes inspiration from the arts as references.
Performing existing works
An orchestra performing a musical piece or an actor performing a scripted play. Here there is a existing material and there's a complete ending. Relating to nature, there is a existing material that is independent of us and that we should respect it, similar to how we should respect the original creation of a work when performing it.
Performing as improvisation
Muscians jamming or an actor playing the yes and game in improve. Still working within parameters because for music, you're playing within a musical range or scale and for actors, you're still doing improve under the circumstance for comdey and laugther and the absurd. For nature, this model is attractive because nature is an unbounding and unpredictable at times.
Performing as performance-art
The artist, the moment, the materials in-front of them and the uniqueness. "In performance-art either there are no obvious materials or the materials are said to be ideas." (Fisher 23). Critique here for using this model with nature is that artists use whatever they can to make their point, whetehr it's respecting or about nature.
Author tries to shift our perspective on land art as being a performance rather than scultpures. Fisher poses questions rather give answers and it's up the reader to make a conclusion. Or rather, are the questions rhetorical?
With performance, there must be an audience. When peforming nature though, who is the audience? It is us, the viewer. We are performing for ourselves. We take notice what we want from nature.
Andy Goldsworthy
Artworks that uses materials of the environment the artwork is situated. For example, fallen leaves on the ground, rearranged by colour to create a striking visual that contrasts what we normally see in nature yet, still be in nature. What kind of art is this?
- Scultpure
- In a sense yes because it's using a raw material to create a 3D dimenional work. However, it's not an object that lasts nor is it a monument meant to commemorate or memorialize a figure or time period. It is also specific to the environment.
- Abstract object / Gesture
- Comparison to Fountain by Marcel Duchamp. In the sense, it's not about the leaves being leaves, but rather being with the environment and working with the material and drawing attention to the environment.
- Ideas
- This I don't agree with. Wouldn't all artworks have an idea behind them? Even if a painting is expressing colours and form, there's an idea to arrange them in a certain way which in turn can tell us what the painter was thinking.
Fisher does note that Goldsworthy artworks are not performace-art because the materials are used too freely. I guess he means, is the artist really examining what the leaf is a material and using it for it's capabilities? In the sense, no other than using the colour of the leaves.
To appreciate nature through a performance model, it is to respect nature and to apprecaite it as nature.
Ends with the problem of documentation and capturing a performance or artwork. This then aligns with the reproduction issue of artworks, but specifically about the point of appreciating nature as nature since we are actually not in front of the artwork which is situated in nature. So can we truly appreciate through a reproduction? In this sense, we would be appreciating the documentation, the moment, and the idea.
Notes on From Allen Carlson to Richard Long: The Art-Based Appreciation of Nature by Marta Tafalla
Allen Carlson and NEM (natural environment model)
- to appreciate anything aesthetically, it involves knowledge. For art, knowing about colour theory, art/design principles or art history.
- natural science is the type of knowledge that allows us to appreciate nature aesthetically "In order to appreciate the colouring of a deciduous forest in autumn, one needs to understand why the leaves change colour." (Tafalla 494). Like the author, I'm also skeptical that you need to understand the science behind this in order to appreciate nature. What is the initial feeling that people get when they witness a natural phenomonen? What is this sensation that overtakes them? It is not the science, but the view and perhaps the knowing that change is happening, that a new season is in progress. In this case, are they appreciating nature for what it's providing in the rhythm of life.
Thought: if there's a relationship to the knowledge of art through theory and history, and making the connection to appreciating nature through a natural science perspective, then could we go back and use this logic of knowing about the science of colours and perception to have a true appreciation of art?
Criticism against NEM
- Normativism. There are many ways to appreciate nature and not just one. Towards a pluralist model. However, as Fisher asks in Performing Nature “Is there then any way to avoid a self-indulgent subjectivism while acknowledging the non-intentional, exceedingly complex and unruly character of nature?” (Fisher 19). So, how to avoid being only subjective in a pluralist model. And the question is, why is it important to not be in an individual subjective view? Well, if everything is subjective, then anything goes.
- Purely cognitive and no other ways that humans can show appreciation. What about emotions, imagination, stories.
- "the distance between the subject and the object disappears" a refernce to Arnold Berleant's take on appreciating nature. Immersion in the environment.
- Look into Emily Brady's theory of imagination
- Other types of knowledge. Ex. myths, folklore.
- False opposition b/w Art & Science. Science is the only way to understand nature while art is subjective and doesn't produce knowledge.
"does landscape painting teach us to appreciate nature?" (Tafalla 499)
- A question in response to the medium and subject that Carlson uses for his argument. Which I would then ask, are paintings supposed to teach? Are they an educational tool?
Land art developed in 60s and 70s at the same time with the new developments of philo of nature. Land art was an answer to landscsape painting, in the way that they were site specific, and forced people to view them in their location (or through documentation), which prompts people to wonder about the surrounding environment that the artwork is in rather than art that is framed and viewed in a gallery.
Land art is not mimesis which landscape painting is. Although, there could be an argument that it's not just representational (painting) because if it's expressive, then it's trying to capture somethingt that is abstract, like a feeling, a fleeting moment.
For land art to show us appreciation of nature, it shouldn't be destructive or altering the landscape that isn't aligned with nature itself. Example the author gives is Richard Long who walks as his medium. As he goes back and forth in a line, it eventually leaves a path. Similar to paths we see in urban environments where people cut through an area even though there's a designed path, but usually there's a shorter path people want and they will take it. While the urban environment is about efficency and speed and fighting against a designed environment, Richard Long, is using his walking path to demonstrate his time with nature. The path created is harmless and eventually with fade away.
What remains are photos of the work. It's giving a bit Nazca lines and crop circles vibes but in an art context.
Arte Povera - Perhaps using this art period because it originates from the 60s/70s and has a similar ethos by using unconventional materials of the time for art that could be considered hodge podge. More on arte povera: https://www.tate.org.uk/art/art-terms/a/arte-povera
The author makes note of the criticism from Carlson and that his medium and subject was the landscape painting and some other land art but disregards other artworks. Although this statement "Long’s is an art that consists of entering into nature, passing through it, experiencing it in three dimensions, with all five senses, getting to know it, exploring it and living it." (Tafalla 508) Is from the point of view of the artist. So its the act of making art, doing this performance as a solo person is what constitutes appreciation, but for only one person if we are to take into consideration this immersive experience as being the way for appreciating nature.
However, it's not about being immersive in nature is what produces knowledge about nature. By seeing remnants of a path, Long is showing us that walking is a simple act (for those able-bodies) to connect with nature. It's a path that you can take again, and someone else too since you forged it for them. Making you not only connect with nature, but also humanity. To align with performance-art, it is the body and the mind that is the central piece yet there's no literal depiction of human in the documentation.
Notes on Appreciation and the Natural Environment by Allen Carlson
To appreciate, we first are able to distinguish what is part of an artwork and what isn't. The word used is aspection, which is a way to actively look, in another word, observation.
"In creating a painting, we know that what we make is a painting. In knowing this we know that it ends at its frame, that its colors are aesthetically important, but where it hangs is not, and that we are to look at it rather than, say, listen to " (Carlson 267).
- Saying that there are characteristics that make up a painting which guide us in making a painting. But the environment and context where the painting ends up is not relevant to the aesthetics of the painting. Don't agree with this since what if a painting is next to another painting, now yes, we can choose to concentrate on one at a time, but it contributes to your aesthetic experience and will change the way you perceive the painting as an invidiual and as a whole exhibition. In addition, if the painting is hanging in someone's home versus in a gallery, each location comes with its own pre-conceived notions that can also influence how you see the painting. But perhaps, what Carlson is saying thought, it doesn't change the fact that the making of the painting was influenced by the environment that it hangs. The paintiner isn't concerned aobut that. So there needs to be a distnction between the artist and the audience.
Paul Ziff - aspection also relates to recognizing art styles and how they inform how an artist or viewer sees the works.
While this paper is focused on the appreciating the natural environment, the above statemetns about art is used as an introduction to setup why these models do not work for aesthetic appreciation in nature.
Object Model
- Ex. sculpture. "The sculpture need not represent anything external to itself" (Carlson 268). A little confused with this statement because wouldn't sculpture represent something? For example, David of Michelangelo, is it not a representation of a person?
- When making the connection, it starts to become clearer what Carlson is talking aobut a "self-contained aesthetic unit". In the same way that we may take a rock out of its natural environment to display on our shelf, it's the same way that the scultupre lives on its own to be appreciated as a standalone object/monument.
- Sparshott "subject/object" model.
- Brancusi is used as a reference for his scultupres to note that there's not representational ties to reality. If a sculpture is abstract, then would this not make it automatically true? Again, what about representational sculptures?
- A natural object has no representational ties with the rest of reality. In that, the rock is the rock. It was not created by us to represent an aspect of reality. So in this sense, nature is nature.
- Of course the obvious criticism here would be that this is talking about an object rather than an environment and an environment has no concrete start and end, it's always changing, in other words, it's not static like a sculpture or a rock that has been taken out of its environment.
- Is it farfetched to appreciate nature as an object similar to how artists have taken everyday objects and made them into art for us to appreciate them aesthetically such as urinal or brillo boxes?
- There are aesthetic qualities that we only appreciate once removed from the environment, to see a rock as expressing solidity only happens once removed from its place. But among other rocks, this aesthetic quality doesn't exist.
Landscape Model
- Landscape painting is appreciated not for the painting as an object, nor the subject matter. Instead, it's the visual qualities like colour and design features like composition, light, contrast etc. I mean, isn't this true of painting? Or is the author more so making a distinction for landscape paintings? I guess it matters here because it showing nature in a way that we only appreciate it on the surface level.
- Appreciating surface level, but at a distance.
- Landscape mode -> Touristic view
- I wonder is, how do popular mediums to represent nature affect our appreciation of nature? Painting is what was available at the time and what people had access to. Then the camera, film/video, and now VR. Would past paradigms apply to new mediums? I guess what I'm getting at, these mediums is what we had available to us, and we aren't actively trying to find ways to appreciate nature through art because perhaps, it's just what we had at the time to create images, similar to how our ancestors drew on cave walls, that's what they had available.
- Maybe it's just limitations of these mediums, and we accept them for what they are. I also wonder, is it wrong to appreciate nature through colours and compositions? TO appreciate one aspect of it, similar to how we can appreciate a single object from nature?
- From Rees, they note that the picturesque and Romantic Movement is problematic because it positions nature as a means for us to enjoy and gain pleasure. This is dangerous becasue if we see nature as an entity that serves us, then that means we can take advantage of it without thinking of reprecussions (ex. now).
- Reducing nature environment to a scene. Similar criticism to the object model that it's static.
Environmental Model
- The name already implies a difference from the landscape and object model because an environment encompasses more than a static represetnation or a scene.
- Carlson remarks that we have an aesthetic appreciation when we recognize what we are seing. We choose what to focus on in the foreground.
- Scientific/common knowledge is what guides us to pick out what to focus on and distinguish from other parts of the environment.
- This view, I can see value in that appreciating nature is a life-long endevaour and that knowledge is never compelete if the envionrment is always changing. As we learn more about an environment, the more we can appreciate it. It goes from being protective to being caring. Although, I'm not sure if this act of care is what Carlson has in mind.
- Like appreciating art, you need to know art theory and history. For nature, the equivalent is natural science and history.
Notes on Environmental Aesthetics by Allen Carlson from The Routeledge Companion to Aesthetics
Disinterestedness
- A concept where we can have objective views separate from our personal interests. I like how RealityApologist puts it in this Reddit thread "A judge at a criminal trial, for instance, should be a disinterested party--this doesn't mean he should be bored, but that he should render his judgement based on the law, and independently of his personal feelings and preferences."
- Led to picturesque because to talk about this means to focus on trying to capture colours, composition, the pastoral. The surface.
Expressionist Theory of Art
- Rejection of disinterestedness and formalism.
- No longer just about senses and formal qualities like. colour, coposition, scale, hiearchy, etc. And not a standalone objective object.
- Instead, art is made within a context and this new paradigm focuses on emotion, cognition and culture.
Ronald Hepburn
- Read his seminal article “Contemporary Aesthetics and the Neglect of Natural Beauty” 1966.
- Aesthetics of engagement = using our immediate senses to appreciate; not just using but being immersed and surroudned.
Chapter goes on to state Carlsons's position with the cognitive line of thought and NEM.
"Likewise, in appreciation of the world beyond the natural world, what is aesthetically relevant is knowledge of why it is, what it is, and what it is like, whether or not that knowledge is, strictly speaking, scientific." (Carlson 431). So understanding of something creates appreciation.
Chapter also notes challenges to this view. Cultural knowledge, history, poetry/literature, mythology, folklore, religion and metaphysics.
Notes on Contemporary Aesthetics and the Neglect of Natural Beauty by Ronald Hepburn
Shift in aesthetic taste - what are the aesthetic taste of today and how does influence how we appreciate nature? Before, aesthetics was only in the domain of the arts, but we can have aesthetic experiences not only with art.
- People start enjoying the outdoors as a socializing activity. Highways giving access to areas that can be voyaged on with large vehicles. Excursions. Wordsworthian experience
- a deep and spiritual encounter with nature. Based on William Wordsworth poetry.
Nature as "educator" - To teach us through its beauty. Nature as "stranger" - A mystery to it.
Science & Tech - changing how we view nature. Ex. small scale / large scale with micro- & tele-scopes.
- Different scales of nature.
Aesthetic excellence - does not reference or mimic nature. Framed / unframed objects. Framed = art. Unframed = nature.
Expression theory - talks about how this theory is related to art and not natural objects. Expressive theory goes beyond the formal qualities of the object and rather, it's about communicaiton. What is it connoting, what is it emoting? What is it saying? But could this be applied to natural objects? No, I don't think so because it requires someone making it with intention and existing within a cultural context. Although, could natural objects express something? If so, what is it? And if we perceive nature as expressing, then is it not just our mental model as humans putting this into nature (as Hepburn notes later on as "humanizing" nature).
Movement whether observed in nature or as the subject, is an important factor in an aesthetic experience with nature.
- Making a snow angel. Not only are we observing the snow but we are with the snow to make an imprint of ourselves in the freshly laid snow.
“Some sort of detachment there certainly is, in the sense that I am not using nature, manipulating it, or calculating how to manipulate it.” (“The aesthetics of natural environments”, 2004, p. 46) (pdf)
- To detach from something means to see it for what it is rather than what it is to you and what it can do for you.
Natural beauty - usually talked about in isolation of an object (like the o ject model mentioned by Carlson).
""Unity"" in Nature
While Hepburn raises points about unity in nature, he also claims pluarity.
Poles
- Individual Uniqueness ——— Grand Synthesis
- Uniqueness ——— Pluarism
- Object ——— Environment
- Frame ——— Unframed
- Nature ——— Art
"Challenge to integrate"
- To observe something that we aren't noticing, something that is out of our attention
- Context Expansion
- Not just spatially, meaning that yes, you can take note of the environment you are in, and move in that environment, or focus on a nearby sound or a sound in the distance, but you can also go beyond the formal qualities of a natural object. The example he gives is a low tide and now seeing the empty seabed and that he's walking on this. It's not about the look of the water or the sand, but instead, what it is. What it's function.
Distinction between "knowledge" and the "aesthetic experience". Since there are always things to know and to learn, but what Hepburn is getting at is, how does this knowing affect our aesthetic experience.
To the point of context expansion and unity, he notes that "unity" is a "regulative" role. When I think of the word regulative, I'm thinking to regulate, meaning that nature is making us regular? It's shaping our behaviour? Or is it that it's making us perceive nature as just part of us, in the sense that it is regular to us. To expand on the regulative function, he goes on to say, "a symbol of the unattainable complete transmutation of brute external nature into a mirror of the mind". This is in relation to humanizing nature. I'm thinking he means that we are projecting what we have in our mind onto nature, which is why we humanize nature (side question, why is it that we can humanize nature or even technology but not other humans?).
He goes on to say "Nature is not a "given whole"". This I understand a bit more, because nature is incomplete. It's always changing, we're always changing. We're moving through it. We're impacting nature, etc. But this "given whole" means we complete it? There's this link between the two.
- "Humanizing" / "Spiritualizing" Nature
“And Hegel, that the aim of art is “to strip the outer world of its stubborn foreignness.”” (“The aesthetics of natural environments”, 2004, p. 50) (pdf) The outer world being something that is outside of us, beyond us? Something outside of our minds, outside of our world view, to make it visible and familiar.
Projecting what's in our mind onto nature.
- Continuation of humanizing nature and unity, but Hepburn using it as a third point. To me it's a sub-point but that's besides the point. Here he's describing how we have emotional experiences with nature when nature in no way has emotions because it is not human, yet we are able to project our emotions onto nature.
If we take nature for face value, it's simply shapes and colours. Yet, we will describe beyond just formal qualities. A wasteland giving desolation, a lush landscape giving joy, etc. Of ocourse there are ranges of emotions we feel and not just one.
“And this is not to have nature’s “foreignness” or otherness overcome, but in contrast, to allow that otherness free play in the modifying of one’s everyday sense of one’s own being.” (“The aesthetics of natural environments”, 2004, p. 51) (pdf) Meaning that we are not letting nature's mystery remain as this separate entity but instead, we are trying to see how we fit within this mystery. Through this mediation, we are unifying ourselves with nature.
“we have ourselves become foreign to our everyday” (“The aesthetics of natural environments”, 2004, p. 51) (pdf) Really like this poetic way of saying that we've become distanced with nature and ourselves even though we are in nature, and we are with ourself 24/7, yet we live in this strange world that is unfamiliar. This statement was in the context of recognizing shapes and patterns in nature and relating them to something else that reminds us of us. Ex. seeing webbed feet on sea turtles and noticing our own hands and perhaps making the connection that we came from water. Rather "humanizing" nature, we are instead "naturizing" ourselves. Which, goes both ways when being unified with nature.
- The background. “In their case the background is a sense of reconciliation, suspension of conflict, and of being in that sense at one with the aesthetic object.” (“The aesthetics of natural environments”, 2004, p. 51) (pdf) Reconciliation - in that we are mediating between us and nature. Suspension of conflict - Not fighitng with nature. Not overcoming it. But maybe to also not have the negativity of nature inform our aesthetic experience. For example, tsnumais are disastrous but we still enjoy the ocean and coastlines.
“A cease-fire has been negotiated in our struggle with nature.” (“The aesthetics of natural environments”, 2004, p. 51) (pdf) Pushing nature into the background as if it's noise and not interferring with us.
Realizing
Reading a series of words could be a statement, or a poem. Two readings, but two different experiences when told that it's a poem.
Hepburn uses this to make a comparison between two objects. One artifact and one a natural object. However, both look exactly the same. Except they have different materials. When we know one is an artifact and one is a natural object, we will read them differently. It's this realizing, this knowing is what guides our aesthetic experience.
In addition, to realize is to also go beyond just seeing. We are projecting ourselves into a situation, we are building upon what we are seeing and internalizing it. ““I had long known that the earth was not flat, but I had never before realized its curvature till I watched that ship disappear on the horizon.”” (“The aesthetics of natural environments”, 2004, p. 55) (pdf) In similar vain, I knew Earth was big but I didn't realize its size until seeing a photo of it in space. This is me trying to make sense of the scale of Earth, triyng to relate it to the immense, vast space of the universe. Also realzing how small I am.
"episodic" - in the sense that the experience happens in the moment and that the realization has happened. What happens following will not alter the realization. Hepburn brings up an example of a tree trunk and its strength. We may realize this strength by feeling it, trying to take it down, running into it, etc. But what happens when it starts to rot? We realize that it may not be so strong that its also has weaknesses. This doesn't change our first realization, it's just updating what we know and integrating into our knowledge.
Realizing can be enriching, but Hepburn also notes that it can also be disruptive or destructive. Example he gives is seeing a full moon behind silhouteted branches on a winter night. We can have observe the natural beauty and this would constitute an aesthetic experience. Now, would realizing that the moon has this light is because of the reflection from the sun's light add anything to the experience? It might actually disrupt from the moment and the beauty you are observing. Or to realize the size of the moon and the distance etc.
Notes on What the Hills Are Alive with: In Defense of the Sounds of Nature by John Andrew Fisher
Soundscapes coined by R. Murray Schafer in 1970s, "sonic enivronment". This means all sounds within an envionrment whether human made or naturally occuring.
Sounds in nature vary. The sound of wind depends on strength, and what they are blowing but also where we are in relation to the wind.
Soundscape - defined by boundaries of the physical environment that contains the sounds. THis is interesting to note because it contradicts the unframeless aspect of nature noted by Hepburn.
We can focus on sounds in nature while also ignoring what should belong to the soundscape. For example, a stranger's cell phone ringing in the middle of a hike up a mountain.
Sounds being harder for us to pay attention to. Hiking up a mountain we encounter many sounds but we may be focused on our breath, our safety, the view, the journey etc. Rarely do we pay attention to the sounds.
Not true for everyone. Fisher mentions the Kaluli of New Guinea and how they listen to nature sounds with intention and model their music after the sounds they hear.
“Sounds also play a role in our conception of wilderness.” (Fisher, 1998, p. 169) (pdf) What do we consider wild? Apparently having solitude, that is removing ourselves from our busy modern urban lives to escape to the wilderness to be in solitude (or one with nature, unity). Looking for silence in nature. Fisher notes that there's always sounds being made so this idea of silence isn't attainable, at least not in nature. THe silence we are looking for is perhaps silence from other humans and acknlowedlgement of other humans.
"absence of human-made sounds"
Robin Maconie defines music as sounds that is pleasurable and everything else as noise. This means that we can't find pleasure in sounds from nature.
Concept of music according to Schafer - Moving indoors has given us high art of music and noise polllution, that is, sounds that were kept away from us, shielded by our homes.
Music = good. Environmental sounds = bad because it interfers with our listening experience of music.
Quite reductive but it illustrates the point on how we view musical sounds versus natural sounds.
“Accordingly,sound cannot contributeto an aesthetics of naturecapable of supportingpreservationof nature.The objectsof environmentalistaesthetics,20it might be urged, shouldbe large units of land, such as a mountainrange, a swamp, a coast, a river,a plateau,in general,anecosystem. It migh tbe argued that it makes no sense to talk about the sounds of these things, e.g., the sound of the GrandCanyon,any more thanwe can speak of the soundof a painting.” (Fisher, 1998, p. 170) (pdf) Why not, can the sound of a large environmental object like a river be used for supporting preservation?
Gardens as an example by Fisher to show that it's a piece of land that has been designed to include sounds from fountains.
Objectivity in natural sounds. Fisher references Carlsons and his cognitivist view but also notes that there's a problem here because someone can hear the same two natural sounds and one find it beautiful while another find it annoying.
Aesthetic Appreciation
- guidance-by-object requirement. the actual characteristics and properties of the object.
- agreement requirement. universal. others should also have the same perception.
Artworks that are critiqued are guided by the art itself but the appreication may not be universal.
Monroe Beardsle and Aesthetic Gratification. Unity and seeing the complex whole. Noticing different parts of the whole.
The issue of framing in sounds. Sounds can come from all directions. We can also direct our attention to particular sounds.
“Nature does not dictate an intrinsically correct way to frame its sounds in the way thata composer does.” (Fisher, 1998, p. 173) (pdf) Meaning that the sounds in nature are not ordered in a certain way for us to listen to it. What's in background and foreground is up to us (and also spatially).
What about recordings of a nature soundscape? Is this not framing the sounds? In some way yes, because it's a framing a moment, but we created that frame not nature. As Fisher relates, it's similar to when taking a photo of nature.
Temporal Framing. Signficant sound events, how do we determine when it starts and ends? The duration?
Fisher describes an aesthetic experience of listening to the sounds on a rual hill side and how silence in an interlude before hearing sounds of the animals helped shaped his experience. He asks though, the long wind sounds before, how long did he need to listen to then appreicate the silence? And how long should the silence lasted in order to appreciate the previous and preceding sounds.
What he's getting at and questioning, is whether we have conventions for determining what is appropriate appreciation with natural sounds, in the context of framing.
Repetition is important in music. Repeting sounds but also the fact that we can repteadly perform a musical score or listen to your favourite song on repeat. In contrast, natural sounds are unique. And perhaps this uniqueness is what adds value to our aesthetic appreciation of natural sounds because we are witnessing something of the moment that we will not ever experience again.
What about imrpovised music? These are unique instances of music. However, we still are in the framework of listening to music becasue of a tempo, because of repetition of notes, playing within a scale, musical instruments, etc.
Murray Schafer notes that there are people with "certain ears" which refers to different cultures and how they listen to sounds. I would also relate this to how there are "trained ears" in the way that musicians, composers, producers, the musically inclined are able to hear sounds with a sharper precision. But for Schafer he notes that there are people who listen peripherally while there are people who rank sounds from strong to weak, those that are desirable to not. This reminds me of a paper about how different cultures look at an image, some looking at background and everyhing framing the subject while there are people who focus on the subject. So background vs foreground.
Associtional / Representational Listening Japanese word, ongaku - "enjoyment of sounds" Ex. cackling sounds of camp fire.
Soundscape - no hiearchy of sounds in comparison to music, no focus (other than the focus we put on what sounds to focus on, rather than composer selecting the emphasis through contrast, crescendos etc)
Kaluli way of listening - dulugu ganalan - "lift-up-over sounding". Meaning that there's not one sound that leads or overpowers another. No start or end either because all the sounds belong to one soundscape.
Listening to a sequence of sounds in nature is not the same as a sequence of sounds in music. One is deliberate while the other is not. But is the deliberate intention enough to consider a differentiator?
Nature sounds not "composed, performed, notated, studied, or taught". We have a music culture but no nature-sound culture.
“We can, however,grant that our appreciation ought to be constrained to this extent, that it would be wrong to hear nature sounds in just the same way as we hear music.” (Fisher, 1998, p. 176) (pdf) A statement that's been said over and over, that nature is not art and therefore we should not be approaching nature in the same way. What I'm realizing is that maybe we need to state the obvious because sometimes it is obvious, and that means it's easy to overlook these statements. Of course, nature is not art, because they are two different things. Wouldn't it be something like, an apple is not an orange and therefore we must not eat it the same way or view it the same way...Is this too simplistic, or am I missing something? That's what philosophy is about, it's about answering (or perhaps not answering, discussing, having a dialogue) seemingly obvious and sometimes difficult questions.
Music -> symbolic ideas, expressing emotions.
Notes on Natural Sounds and Musical Sounds: A Dual Distinction by John Dyck
Paper is about the difference condition of musical and natural sounds. That is, what exactly is this difference.
Ontological difference - While both are sounds, are they two separate types of sounds, and what are the characteristics that make up these two type of sounds that creates their object?
Perceptual difference - Could they be the same ontological object, but we perceive them differently because of other factors, such as our trained, or lack of trained ear? What causes the perception difference?
Interaction Condition - How can musical and natural sounds come together to form one aesthetic experience.
- When placed in a sound experience, there's contrast between what's natural and what's human made. This would then lead to an argument that they are indeed different. It's the contrast, the contrast is a quality that we recognize as being different.
Referencing Fisher (see notes above for more), Dyck reiterates what Fisher laid out what makes soundscapes indeterminate.
- Frame Problem / ""attentional framing indeterminacy" - music has structure, while natural sounds do not. How to structure our attention. Nature does not have a right or wrong way of composing or arranging its sounds. Frame problem also applies to visuals.
- "temporal framing indeterminacy" - no sense of time. music has a start and finish and when we listen to a musical score, we know the duration of ther performance or song. In contrast to soundscapes, we determine how long we want to focus on a sound and for how long. But at the same time, the sounds in nature may stop on their own and we won't know when.
- Unique/repeatablility - Soundscapes are unique while music can be repeated through plays or performances.
Dyck uses sound art as a way to illustrate his points against these claims. For Dyck, sound art is not music or natural sounds, but could be both.
Sound art
- musique conrète where artifactual or natural sounds are recorded and manipulated.
- Marcel Duchamp's sounding objets - With Hidden Noise artwork. An object concealed in a ball of twine and the hidden object makes a sound when the scultupre moves.
Dyck goes on to say sound art goes against both Temporal Framing Indeterminacy and Attentional Framing Indeterminacy. Sound art does not have a temporal framing like natural sounds, but we can still evaluate it because it's human made. Dyck says it doesn't support the indeterminacy claim but I don't get it. Sound art, the way he's describing and using a quote by Alan Licht, makes it seem like sound art can be experienced in a short or long period of time, it can be re-experienced. I suppose it's also up to the listening or viewer to decide on when to end. The different here with soundscapes is, if the viewer decides to not listen, the sounds are still playing, which can be true for sound art as performance or installation. Viwerer can leave the artwork but it can still be playing.
“If Attentional Framing Indeterminacy were correct, sound artists could never reliably use natural sounds in music, since there would be significant disparities in the way intentional sounds are perceived and the way unintentional sounds are perceived” (Dyck, 2016, p. 294) (pdf) Saying that if the claim is true, artists can't use these type of sounds in the same piece because of the way people perceive them.
“If Attentional Framing Indeterminacy were correct, the effects of these natural sounds would be totally unpredictable; artists would have no idea how audiences might respond” (Dyck, 2016, p. 294) (pdf).
Question, going back to the object model mentioned by Carlson, when we isolate a natural sound, what is it expressing? And what qualities are lost when not in the environment.
The difference with sound art versus soundscapes in nature is that the recorded sounds are recorded with intention and included into an artwork with intention. Therefore, they are determinate like music. This is of course only true if the artist decides on when to play the natural sounds, but not true if sounds are randomly played through code or activated by viewers through an interaction. There needs to be an intentional placement.
The effects of natural sounds in sound art or in a musical piece is only reliable because of the way they are perceived in nature. And because of this reliability, Dyck is arguing that natural sounds can be determinate.
Unification between music and natural sounds in sound art is only successful because that natural sounds have a reliable effect.
Just as I was about to say, well isn't this different because there's intention and there's someone involved in placing the natural sounds? Taking the sound from its soundscape environment is no longer a soundscape.
Roger Scruton - distinction between musical and nonmusical sounds. NS are casually heard in the way that we recognize the sound and where its coming from where musical sounds are acousmastically. According to Scruton we are separating the musical sound and where its coming from and how they are made. I would argue that this isn't true since you can train your ear to recognize instruments even if they are placed within an orchestra of other instruments.
Sounds are not purely audio. In their objective form they are sound waves and there are physical properties, but as Andy Hamilton notes, music is just not heard, it's also felt. Oh ok, so Hamiton mentions what I said about the hearing instruments.
A question posed by Fisher in a 1999 paper "Why do we prefer naturally produced sounds to aurally indiscernible humanly produced sounds?" An interesting question. Some things. Nature has a calming effect, perhaps a primordial effect on us. It's ingrained in us since this is where we came from. Evolutionary, nature sounds are familiar which can create a sense of safety where sounds that we can't make out might sound foreign and mysterious. What we don't know can be a threat.
Although, Fisher goes in the opposite direction saying that natural sounds have an otherness to them and that's why we prefer it.
Completeness requirement for soundscape - that the entire soundscape must belond to the land and inevitability. That is, the sounds come from not humans and that we can't avoid them.
Microtones, more microtones make a piece sound natural according to John Cage.
West - 12 tone scale. There are microtones in this scale, such as flat / sharp.
Music -> Macrotones | Nature -> Microtones + Microrhythms + Microtimbres
Instruments can only play within a specified range and tones. While nature is infinite.
Casual impressions - hearing water drops in a music piece, gives us the impression of perhaps rain hitting a tin roof.
“This explains an important aspect of sound art: it contains varying degrees of alterity in it, mixed with varying degrees of familiari” (Dyck, 2016, p. 299) (pdf) This mixed, melange, makes sense because sound art is neither natural sounds nor music.
As Dyck points out though, not all natural sounds have pitch so the microtonal thesis doesn't really make sense because there's rarely tones in nature. Rather, what we are recognizing is the microtimbers and microrhythms.
Notes on Aesthetic Appreciation And The Many Stories About Nature by Thomas Heyd
A paper to argue against Carlson's cognitivist view. The view where he claims to have aesthetic appreication, knowledge of the object is required. Talks about art history is knowledge to understand contemporary art. If this is true for aesthetic appreication, then is art history required for modern art, or art from the renaissance? Or is this a condition of our time where we are distanced from the objects that are produced and made?
Aeitology - the study of causes and origins.
Three areas to question:
- Is it required to know the aeitology of an artwork or somethign from nature to aehsteically appreciate it?
- Scientific knowledge is general and neutral which mitigates the personal and subjective relationship to nature that can be perhaps a more powerful way to appreciate nature.
- Scientific knowledge in aesthetics may prevent us from discovering nature
"Sizing up" artworks
- Art history is one part of the equation because it helps contextualizes the art in the canon but there's so much more.
- New innovative technique for execution.
- Looking at other artworks, not ust from history.
- Talking to other people, critics and non-critics to understand the artwork. Gaining perspectives from others that are not your own.
- Your own personal contemplation on the artwork and what it means
As Heyd mentions, knowing the history is knowing the context because you will understand the reasoning for contemporary art versus modern art, or being able to place a renaissance painting versus one from romanticism.
He makes an analogy to reading labels on packaging. While the label gives us information about the products origins and its materials, we can still appreciate the product without the label. The label becomes secondary. We are still experiencing the product without the label. We may however, consume the packaged good, and wonder more about it, but the initial appreciation is the taste. What is the equivalent of taste as an experience with seeing?
Notes on Looking at Nature through Photographs by Jonathan Friday
-“For if a photograph can show us something about the environment that we could not discern when face-to-face with that bit of the world it depicts, then surely the photograph draws our attention to itself and away from the environment” Here, the author is saying that the object of a photograph is the focus first rather than the environment. And if that's the case, the medium is what someone is gravitating towards rather than the subject matter. And if it's about the appreciation of nature, then we aren't appreciating nature, but instead appreciating the photograph. However the author will argue against this.
- "On the one hand, photographs are widely recognized to be accurate evidence of the appearance of what they depict. Therefore, at least some of the aesthetically significant visual qualities of the environment must be discernible by looking at appropriate photographs." Meaning that documentation of nature can also translate its visual qualities through a photograph.
- "On the other hand, photographs, like paintings and drawings, are two-dimensional representations and as such draw attention to themselves through the distortion and distancing of their subject matter." Distortion and distancing, distortion for painting in the way that it's translating what we see through the hand, while the camera lens distorts what we see. Distancing as noted by Carlson, in the landscape model that we view nature from a distance and appreciate the visual quality, rather than the object or environment.
- "purist" view - similiar to what I've been thinking about for sound, that there's the naturalist to brutalist (from Gillié), that to appreciate nature it has to be in its natural state. For a purist, that would mean being in nature.
- "causal relation between a photographic image and its subject matter that is definitive of the medium" I understand this to be a photograph has a relationship to what is being depicted. But what is this relationship exactly is what is to be explored. It's not just about representing an object.
- “Oliver Wendall Holmes with his judgment that a photograph is a "mirror with a memory.”" Mirror, reflections (in water). Maybe something here
- "In what follows, however, I want to explore another possibility: that some photographs reveal aesthetically valuable qualities of the environment that are discernible only (or primarily) by attending to these photographs." Yes, I think this is what new techonlogies allow us to see and with new mediums, it requires some thought on how to use them to capture a part of an aesthetic experience that we would not be able to get from being in nature. For example, in science, microsopes/telescopes allowed scientists to observe on a different scale.
- pictoral and environmental values: pictoral in the sense that photographs depict visual quality, while environmental is looking at nature as a whole.
- ""all photographs lie, but some photographs lie more than others"-or as the noted photographer Edward Steichen put it: "Every photograph is a fake from start to finish."" These statements is acknowledging that a photograph doesn't actually capture reality as is. This is true in the sense because of the framing concept from Hepburn. The lens distorts, the digital camera or film has different colouring, the photographer chooses what to present, etc.
- Photographs was a new way of seeing, a new kind of picture. A photograph is depedent on what is happening in real life. This is the casual relationship.
- Mirror images allow us to see what we are not able to see ourselves. This is true of photography, and actual mirrors. Claude glass for landscape paintings, and mirrors in cars to see blind spots. If we take this analogy of blind spots, then what are the blind spots in nature that we are not seeing that photography is able to capture?
- Difference between perceiving and seeing. We're not seeing the subject matter, but instead perceiving it.
- "We do not literally see objects through photographs; rather, the nature of our attitude to them is such that we treat them as if we do" In a way, photographs are transporting us. There's a mental sense happening with photography. Relates to the immediacy thesis from Kant I think. But also that a photograph is a mirror of the object, so we aren't actually viewing the object physically. What we are experiencing instead is how we would react to the object in the picture.
- "regard" - regarding a photograph. Making us think of the object. Is there something here with the french word, "regarder"?
- Not about depicting the object, but rather, a photograph we perceive the object. This is a distinction to be made because it means that we aren't seeing the object for what it is, but what its perceptual qualities are.
- Our attitude (and perhaps beliefs) about what a photograph is, is what shapes our behaviour towards them. Photo = evidence.
- Our realization (think of Hepburn) of what a photograph is how we react to it. One quality of photography is that we see it as evidence.
- Photographers, or the framer, has the ability to control how an image is made (and altered), but it still needs to be within the contraints of a photograph. If we are not able to identify it as a photograph, then it becomes a painting, an illustration. So, it means, even if all the tools available within photography can produce a photo, it doesn't mean as a viewer, we will regard it as a photo if it strays too far from what a photo should be.
- "if our vision worked like photography then we would see things "the way the camera does"" Quote by Joel Snyder and Neil Allen. About how the photographic process, from hardware + material perspective. Instead now, with our smartphones, we see the camera does + the screen. What does the addition of the screen provide to this experience?
- “expressive qualities draw our attention to the photograph itself” If painting is capturing the visual qualities, then photography can capture the expressive qualities of a scene. This is why we gravitate towards a photo that we wouldn't necessarily notice in real life. A photo's ability to frame and capture the expressive qualities, is exactly why we do appreciate nature. There's still something to be said, how do we separate appreciating the photograph and appreciating nature? The answer to this is with the transparency thesis, that is, a photo has a casual relationship with what is being depicted. If it didn't, then we wouldn't regard it as a photo. So it is still representing an aspect that we would experience in person. This is the idea behind photo as evidence.
- "Because expressive qualities supervene on representational properties, they give a particular form to our experience of what is represented" How can we experience expressive qualities real-time?
- "We see the objects depicted through an expressive perspective unique to the particular photograph." If there is an expressive quality to nature, what is nature expressing? And how can we appreciate it?
- An answer to Carlson's idea of NEM. Because we can appreciate nature through other means, in this case, an art form, photography. It's because we are capturing the expressive qualities that move us in some way. This is slightly different from the landscape model, because the landscape model is about viewing nature from a distance, where photography is about the expressive qualities, bringing out something within nature that we cannot see directly in person.
Notes on Appreciating Nature on Its Own Terms by Yuriko Saito
- “Appreciating art on its own terms helps us cultivate this moral capacity of recognizing and understanding the other’s reality through sympathetic imagination.” The author is arguing to appreciate nature on its own terms (hence the title) and is making a connection to art. We appreciate art once we know what the art object is. Ex. music vs random sounds, poems vs random words. Once we identify music as music, we can then evaluate it and appreciate it. This is what Hepburn was saying about "realization".
- "Such an attitude would involve listening to nature’s own story and appreciating it on its own terms, instead of imposing our story upon it" Yes, we have been intervening, interjecting ourselves on and in nature.
- What is the morality associated with an aesthetic judgement?
- “However, this exclusive attention to its pictorial surface falsifies nature’s aesthetic value.” Essentially, neglecting the other senses. For example, it's one thing to view a river from above, and it's another to be immersed in it to feel the flow pass your body.
- "Second, the exclusive emphasis on visual design results in our selective appreciation also by encouraging us to appreciate only those parts that are visually coherent, exciting, amusing, enjoyable, or pleasing." This is what drives environmental protectionism and tourism. This emphasis is also a symptom of us being a visual culture.
- "Attraction to scenic beauty is by itself not problematic; indeed it is most often our initial attraction to nature and, as such, should not be discouraged. However, it can become problematic if our appreciation ends there because we are not lending our ears to stories nature could be telling through its diverse parts, other than, or in addition to, visual splendor." This is my thought too, it's that we can acknowledge the visual qualities of nature, and be influenced by them. But there has to be more, or else we are blinded by only one sense. The phrase "don't judge a book by its cover", plays into the fact that we are visual people, but we should also be cautious of it. And it's the same for nature.
- 19th century of appreciation. Associationist aesthetic theory. What the landscape or natural landmark was associated with. Meaning, the historical and literary associations. The legacy of an environment.
- Americans tried to compensate the fact that the landscape had no stories, or lore by making their own paintings and literary storeis aroudn them. I'm sure if there are stories from indigenious people though. And the aesthetic value of the landscape from the American perspective was driven by competition, rather than appreciation though.
- "Other cultures also commemorate natural objects for historical/literary/legendary associations." I would also point to language and how we incorporate natural associations through idioms. The filter of nature into the everyday. Is it commemorating though? And more so, finding metaphors, using nature, or humanizing nature.
- "It is not “property,” worthy of protection, until it is cultivated." John Locke's theory of the value of nature. Once a land is cultivated and nature is humanized, this is when it has value.
- John Passmore, "untouched land is alien to humans and we have both the right and responsibility to cultivate it". Although, Passmore is advocating for "cooperation with nature" through gardens, and towns and roads that makes sense with the native topography.
- When we are appreciating natural objects because of their associations, we aren't appreciating the natural object itself, but instead the stories/legends that are connected to them.
- How to appreciate nature as nature? How to listen to its story? “its perceptual features; that is, a story concerning its origin, make-up, function, and working, independent of human presence or involvement.” Origin: natural history. Make-up: chemistry, physics, biology. Function: natural processes, glacier to river to sea/ocean to sky. But also, what is the function of a river.
- What facilitates this aesthetic experience of nature as nature? -“There are attempts to understand nature for what it is, apart from human presence and involvement.” If we take the anthroposcene as a concept, we are at a point where we are not separate from nature and in fact, we have altered what nature is. Some would even consider we are post-anthroposcene, in the sense that we are trying to remedy this mess we are in. So, human prescence is everywhere and shouldn't we take this into consideration when we appreciate nature?
- Science, like Allen Carlson's proposal. But Carlson is coming from a cognitivist view, while Saito is from a moralist lens. Carlson -> the knowledge around nature. Saito -> "true" judgement because it's the right thing to do? That morality allows for empathy? Will come back to this because still not clear on why morals is part of the equation.
- "As one critic puts it, “the claim that science will lead to an aesthetic appreciation of nature is very much brought into question by an environmental mess that is largely the product of science,” because it “has done so much to reduce nature and to convert it into a set of piecemeal parts in a way that has no or little respect for the thing—exactly the opposite of listen[ing] to nature and understand[ing] it in its own terms.”" This is a lot to unpack. It's saying that science as a discipline/concept is what brought the ecological crisis. It's because of what science was able to achieve. Key word though "product of science", meaning, it comes from science but someone had to produce it. So what is this system that created the environmental mess?
- To appreciate nature, is "to be ecologically responsible" and to be responsible, then we need science.
- "Science can be regarded anthropocentric in a conceptual sense, too. Stan Godlovitch, for example, challenges Carlson’s view by holding that science still does not tell us nature’s story; rather, it tells our story." Because science is a human concept, and it's a human activity. So, if we are using science to understand nature to have an aesthetic appreciation, then we aren't seeing nature as nature.
- "On one hand, there is no denying that science attempts to humanize nature by relying on our observations and by making it comprehensible to us." Wouldn't it be a false problem to solve? Is there a solution, or perhaps, should we accept that we will always be projecting ourselves onto nature? In whatever way it may be. If we are, then it's more so, how to co-exist, how to co-appreciate.
- “For example, Mark Twain describes how “the grace ... the poetry,” and “the romance and the beauty were all gone from the river” when he learned the scientific significance of the particular sunset, water movement, the color of the forest, and the like.” Hepburn mentions similar idea when the realization of an experience from a scientific point of view can disrupt our aesthetic experience. Which then points to this immediacy thesis by Kant, that this internal sense with our external sense needs to be linked for us to have an aesthetic value. When there's cognitivism, we break that link. The rational thinking doesn't impact our aeshtetic appreciation.
Notes on It Seems Possible to Quantify Scenic Beauty by Shafer and Mietz
- This short document comes from USDA Forest Research, 1970.
- Part of Northeastern Forest Experiment Station. Just from this name, it's intersting that there's a department for the forest to conduct experiments. What other experiments are there?
- Shafer is the project leader of the station conducted through New York State University College of Forestry at Syracuse University, Syracuse, N. Y. Mietz was a student and at the time of the study, serving in the US Army in South Vietnam.
- The research paper is trying to create an equation that grades a landscape image and to see what people prefer in landscapes. Of course, the question is why, is there an aesthetic value to this quantification? The judgement of beauty through an equation sounds similar to AI and how it's trained on datasets. It's an interesting question, can AI identify beauty? Well, if it's based on human data, such as this one, and also humans looking at images and categorizing and grading them, then the answer sounds like yes because the AI is a product of a human. This is besides the point I want to make in my thesis becasue AI isn't the focus.
- The reason why quantifying scenic is useful to the authors, is because it can inform resource managers and planners on how to approach wildland aesthetics. Meaning, how to protect certain areas, guide people to locations or let development happen even perhaps. They don't expand on this point, these are my guesses. While we have our intuitions, it can now be backed up by facts.
- There are two sets of photos. Set A all have some sort of water in them, while Set B, only 4 photos contained water. By having these two sets, it allowed the authors to have a stronger basis for why or why not someone would have a preference to a specific landscape.
- The top picture with the highest ranking is one that has "Waterfall, stream, and lake combined". Bodies of water, and multiple of them together, is the landscape that people prefered the most.
- What I take away from this is that water is important to a landscape photo, and on a deeper level, we feel connected to them. The beauty of it penetrates us even through a photo.
Notes on How the Mind Works by Steven Pinker
Not related to aesthetics but putting it here for now (or is it?).
The Suburban Savanna
- pg. 374 "The expression "a fish out of water" reminds us that every animal is adapted to a habitat. Humans are no exception." A great opening to the section since it immediately tells us that 1. we used to come from water. 2. that we are never in our "natural habitat".
- Nomdad life - where to decide where to go next? "Habitat selection". A term from biology. Can apply to animals but also us.
- ""environmental aesthetics": what kinds of places we enjoy being in" pg. 375.
- Savanna: an ideal landscape. "the savanna—grasslands dotted with clumps of t r e e s is rich in biomass, much of it in the flesh of large animals, because grass replenishes itself quickly when grazed." p. 375. The biomass also close to the ground. Since savannas are also open, this means evolutionary it meant that we can survey the land easily to look for predators or see in the distance if there is water.
- Once we started to explore the world, we adapted and any place was a habitat for us.
- p. 376 Wanderlust -> Our cogntive ability to remember and make mental images of the land then allowed us to explore and survive.
- p. 376 "our sense of natural beauty is the mechanism that drove our ancestors into suitable habitats" Meaning, first, aesthetics drove us to a location, aethetics attract us.
- An experiment with American children and adults where they were shown images of landscapes. They were asked how much they would like to live or visit. Kids prefer savannas, and adults too but adults also liked deciduous and coniferous forests. Pinker attributes this to perhaps it's what adults are already familiar with in the States. p. 376. I wonder if the question was separated, between living and visiting. Because these are two very different things. I once wanted to visit a desert because it seemed so foreign to me, but ya, I wouldn't want to live in a dry, boiling hot landscape.
- “The geographer Jay Appleton succinctly captured what makes a landscape appealing: prospect and refuge, or seeing without being seen.” p. 376. . Succintly put. How does this relate to La Jonction? Perhaps it's that I can view the rivers from above, that I can survey the landscape at a glance. Where being upclose to the waters, I can see details but not what's around. I can see the people at the pointe and people on the side where there's graffiti. Or people on boats or by the dock. So yes I can see others but they can't see me.
Reference: The People's Choice by Komar & Melamid
In 1994, artists Komar & Melamid commissioned a poll in USA to determine people's aesthetic preferences. They took the results and paintined The Most Wanted and The Most Unwanted. A critique on statistics and having "design by committee" or in this case, "paint by numbers" dictate what paintings should look like according to the public. This poll then extended to other countries. What's interesting to note is that people prefered landscapes, landscapes with water.
This as Pinkas (my advisor) noted, this is "scientistic" / "scientism". This reference was shared when I mentioned that I would like to include the paper about quantifying scenic beauty. It's a belief that science and its method can render truths, but important to note, that people consider it the best method. It also comes under scrunity and criticism when talking aobut aesthetics and art.
Relating it to the Romantic period, if art was meant as a way of expression, and an answer to representational theory of art (mimesis), and art couldn't comete with science, then why use science to determine how something should look or be perceived?
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